**Interviewer:** In light of a potential second Donald Trump administration, what concerns do you have regarding the future of press freedom in the United States?
**Margaret Sullivan:** There’s a valid reason to fear for press freedom under a second Trump presidency. If we take a look back at his previous tenure, he made alarming threats against the media that should raise red flags for anyone who values a free press.
**Interviewer:** Can you elaborate on what specific threats he posed?
**Margaret Sullivan:** Certainly. Back in early 2016, Trump warned journalists at a campaign rally that if elected, traditional news organizations would face significant challenges. He notably mentioned plans to “open up” libel laws to make it easier for public figures to sue the press over negative coverage. Thankfully, those specific threats haven’t materialized, and the legal standards for press actions, like those established in the 1964 *New York Times Co. v. Sullivan* case, remain intact. But the environment has changed remarkably since then.
**Interviewer:** What key changes do you see that could affect press rights if he returns to office?
**Margaret Sullivan:** A lot has shifted, especially with the Supreme Court now leaning more conservative after three of Trump’s appointments. If he wins again, the protective laws for news organizations could be at risk of being weakened or even dismantled. Trump has already significantly damaged press rights through persistent attacks and undermining of the media’s credibility.
**Interviewer:** How has Trump approached the media during and after his presidency?
**Margaret Sullivan:** His approach has been combative. He frequently brands journalists as the “enemy of the people,” which echoes authoritarian rhetoric. Recently, he demanded the revocation of CBS News’ broadcasting license for airing an edited interview with Kamala Harris, threatening other networks if they followed suit. His conflicts with reporters, particularly those of color, have also drawn criticism.
**Interviewer:** Can you speak about an incident that exemplifies this tension?
**Margaret Sullivan:** One notable moment occurred in 2018 when Trump revoked CNN reporter Jim Acosta’s press pass after Acosta faced tough questioning during a press conference. Peter Baker of the *New York Times* even remarked that he’d never seen such a negative atmosphere towards journalists, highlighting how it diverged from the experiences of past administrations.
**Interviewer:** What do you foresee for press relations under a hypothetical second Trump term?
**Margaret Sullivan:** Trump’s rhetoric indicates that aggression toward the media will continue or even escalate. For instance, his loyal ally, Kash Patel, hinted at pursuing action against journalists whom they claim have misrepresented Americans. This combative stance is worrying and signals that the press could face even more scrutiny and hostility.
**Interviewer:** What is Project 2025 and how does it impact press freedom?
**Margaret Sullivan:** Project 2025, formulated by Trump’s allies, paints a bleak picture for press rights. It proposes easier access to journalists’ private communications, potentially limits the operations of Voice of America, and threatens public broadcasting funding. This plan could significantly change the landscape for journalists, further stifling press freedom.
**Interviewer:** In contrast, what is Kamala Harris’s stance on press freedom?
**Margaret Sullivan:** While we don’t know much about her specific policies regarding the press, her recent actions already differ substantially from Trump’s. Harris has engaged with media outlets in a more traditional manner, and her public platforms advocate for fundamental freedoms, although not specifically highlighting press rights.
**Interviewer:** Given the current climate, what are your thoughts on the implications for journalists?
**Margaret Sullivan:** The hostile environment towards the media that emerged during Trump’s presidency has lasting scars, and it’s crucial for journalists and the public to recognize that press rights are as vital as other democratic freedoms. As press rights continue to come under fire, they deserve to be prioritized in our conversations about democracy and civil liberties.
**Interviewer:** Any closing thoughts?
**Margaret Sullivan:** It’s essential to celebrate and protect the role of a free press. While citizens may not always hold journalists in high regard, it is crucial to understand that without press freedom, other rights—including those concerning personal freedoms—could similarly face threats.